All the stages of grief, all the time & it does get easier

Well, the last year has taken me through all the stages of grief.  Every hour of pretty much everyday.  I have been obsessed with his sex addiction.  I’ve tried to piece together every moment of our relationship – still not understanding how the person I thought was happy was really entranced in addiction.

I guess a part of me currently lives in denial.  I still can’t emotionally believe 100% that he had the affair, that he was addicted to porn and cybersexed and tried to meet any person he could. Logically – and the all of the evidence supports the fact that he did.  Sometimes, still,  I am overwhelmed with panic.  

 

I do not trust my intuition – I’ve even done drive-bys in his group after feeling panicked that he’s still lying and that he’s not there.  Only to find his car in the church parking lot.  I’m unclear whether I am paranoid, suffering from post traumatic stress disorder or if there is something I haven’t looked at yet and someone is trying to tell me something.

 I did go away for the weekend with a group of friends a few weeks ago and Bob had a bad weekend.  He said he didn’t act out, but that he really wanted to since he wasn’t being policed at all.  However, when I got back on the sunday and we had sex nothing came out (like when he was acting out) so I don’t know what to believe.

It worried me because he has flexible hours at work and he travels a lot for business.  Where he’s not policed.  He calls me all the time, pocket calls me so I know when he’s out with workmates, but no matter what he does, what he says I still remember how he cried and begged me to be with him after I found text messages (before I knew about the addiction/affair) and how he swore on his daughter’s life, looked me in the eye and said he never met any of them.  Meanwhile…3 days later he called Lisa and said they needed to go on the downlow.  A week later I traveled with him for business and we had the honeymoon – all the time he was text messaging, emailing and talking to Lisa.  While I layed there like a fool.

He is an exceptional liar.  He deserves a trophy for his acting.  I am not the most trusting person to begin with…and yet he certainly pulled the proverbial wool.

Anyway, he is trying and the state of his current emotional state may show me that he isn`t acting out, but actually feeling.  When he was acting out he seemed happy or at best even-keeled.  Which bothers me too.  Now he“s a mess. 

We`re trying to be together.  It`s hard.  I am angry still and I don`t want to be close to him – to ever feel the way I did a year ago and this past year.  I do enjoy his company and I do still love him, but sometimes I wonder if it woud be better if he did act out.  I could pack my bags and never wonder any more, never have to give someone another chance – but, as everyone says you`ll repeat your own pattern unless you understand it.  So, I`m here until someone taps me on the shoulder and says it`s time or if there is some way I can ever truly believe him and we can feel calm.

Who knows.  I will be seeing a shrink.  We`ll see where that leads…

Also…I used to think about his addiction pretty much 24 7 – with sleepless nights now it`s down to about an hour a day – usually on my commute, stuck in traffic.

I do think I`ll always wonder if i know the whole truth:(

One Year with Sex Addict

It’s been a year – feels like 10.  I look 10 years older – I really do.  I’ve gained 40 lbs and I blame Bob for it.  In fact I blame Bob for anything that’s gone wrong in my life.  Although he feels so guilty he takes it and I have my own scapegoat.

I hate who I’ve become sometimes.

Including the fact that I look at all the women around and decide they are so much better than I, prettier, sexier, smarter – whatever.  I stare at them so much I don’t even look at men now.  I’d make a great lesbian or a great artist of  female portraits.  In fact there’s a lovely gal at work, but she’s pretty so I don’t like her.

I used to be one of the guys gals laughing at dirty jokes, ok with porn, an adventerous person in bed, random sex partners when I was single – I liked sex.  Now I’m almost digusted by the pathetic-ness of it all.  I could live my life without sex completely.  In fact I so loathe it I am disgusted by fashion ads.  I have turned into a prude.

I wonder if other people I know are sex addicts.  Friends tell me about their boyfriends and I think…oh, I wonder if they are having an affair.

Speaking of affairs…I’ve never gotten over his affair with Lisa.  Any time Bob tries to touch me I see Lisa and I see how pathetic sex addiction is, how weak it is and how absolutely moronic sex addiction really is.

I see Bob as a weak person now and I have become his Mother.  I don’t want a subordinate I want an equal.

As for Bob…

He hasn’t acted out since May 08 -so he says.  I want to believe him, but I can’t.  Instead when we start getting close I push him away.  I guess I have the intimacy issue now.  I have snooped like hell and have found nothing whatsoever.  But, I can look at things 50 ways and it doesn’t matter if I don’t find evidence I can think of ways he could get around it.

He looks like hell too – he’s definately depressed.  Have I made his life hell?  Yep.

He says he’s going to see a one on one therapist – his 12 step group is working out really well for him.  He never misses a week and he sponsors some others.  There’s about 9 people in his group and most have porn and chat room addiction as their primary addiction. 

Why do I stay?  I do love him.  I enjoy his company and I’ve looked back at most of my relationships and figured out that most of relationships were a bit messed-up.  Not like this, but none the less.  I learned in RCA that you will repeat the pattern and I need to figure out what’s wrong with me that I look for people with issues.  In fact, there’s a guy at work that I didn’t fancy until he told me that his brother died – then I fancied him.  Yikes…sob story = fancy.

The way I get through this is that I have made an emphatic pact with myself that I will leave if anything goes wrong, he slips or acts out.  If nothing else, our weak partners should be able to stop if only because they know they’ve hurt us and what it will cost – now that it’s out in the open.  He hurts me again I’ll ruin his life and I’ll leave.  Bitter?  Me? lol…

The way I see it is they have an intimacy issue and if they can’t share their feelings with us now that their demons have showed then they are not intimate.  Nothing’s changed except the heartache we’ve suffered.

I’ll give more of an update soon.  I won’t leave it so long.

HPV, Precancer, surgery & sex addict

Well, I went for surgery yesterday to remove part of my cervix in a LEEP procedure.  Bob went with me and was very upset by “what he’s created.” 

The surgery was not painful – only mild cramping afterwards – like the early years when you get your period for the first time.  The reprocussions are:  I may not be able to hold a baby inside me and that there could be scar tissue that if I did have a baby – would likely mean I’d have to have a C-section.

Bob’s life is crashing down around him right now.  He is in financial hell, his car just went kaput and he can’t afford another one, his Parents are a nightmare (and I can’t help by pointing it out.  I loathe them, for what they’ve done to him, me and Bob’s daughter.  I feel like an as*hole, but I am so angry.), he realizes what he’s done to me as a whole and how he neglected his daughter.

I keep asking him for things that he doesn’t fulfill.  Things like writing me letters, rubbing my back (when we first met – I got about an hour a night, at least – I’d be lucky now if I got a half-assed attempt once a month) and more. 

I do enjoy Bob’s company – but the more I look from outside i see how miserable I am, how I’ve become a person full of negativity, anger and distrust overall.  I keep setting dates to move and then big things happen in my life to prevent me from leaving.  I am a Christian and I wonder if God is sending me messages to stay and work things out.

I am afraid if I leave that I will meet another SA or addict overall…that I am only attracted to those who can hurt me, etc.  Is it better the devil you know than the devil you don’t?

Now that I have a disease that I have to disclose – who would want to sleep with me?  If I was dating someone and they told me – I’d have to be honest and say that I think I’d run.  If I sleep with someone who isn’t going to be a “life partner” then I could potentially infect their new partners and be responsible for the operation I just had on strangers – people who don’t deserve it. (I have been trying to call Lisa to tell her to get checked – she will not answer her phone when I call.  While she’s the idiot who infected me – she does have kids and Bob isn’t the first affair she had nor likely the last).

After this year the sex side of a relationship is the furthest thing from my mind.  What do you do in this day and age?  YOu can’t make someone wait until marriage?  When do you disclose?  70% of all adult women in North America have at least one strain of HPV – some have no symptoms, some get warts and some get pre-cancer.  It’s skin to skin contact and condoms aren’t effective.  If your partner has been with anyone else – you need to get checked!  There are DNA tests for the strain.  It takes 4-5 years for pre-cancer to turn into cancer if not treated.  Even if you have doubts when your partner says he hasn’t been with anyone else – go and get checked!  It is life threatening.

The nurse I had – was younger than me (I’m 38) and she’s had cervical cancer. 

Anyway…should I stay or go…

Bob is still going to his SLAA meetings, he`s sponsoring others, and received his 6 month chip the other week.  He says he hasn`t acted out since last may, including masterbation.  Unfortunately, his ability to lie face to face is good…so he could be lying to them too.  I still have no trust in Bob, but my intuition says he`s not acting out – but I don`t trust my own intuition now. 

I do enjoy his company, he is good to me in a lot of ways.  We still laugh and have fun, when he`s beside me – but when he`s away from me – I always wonder.  He also travels a lot for work.  He does call me at least 3 times a day and when he`s in his hotel room says he doesn`t open his computer and gives me play-by-play of the TV shows he`s been watching. 

That said, the other night when he was away he did say he watching CSI and mentioned that he had just figured out he`d already seen it – it was 10 minutes from being over.  Odd.  I think I`ve caught him out on small lies too – but I`m looking for stuff and I don`t have any clear evidence.

I don`t know if I can ever forgive (which makes me mad at myself) and I know I`ll never forget.  I rub it in his face all of the time.  If I was him I`d dump me…the stress I give him is major. 

I am not attracted to him sexually anymore – I do not think this is abnormal given all of the circumstances.  In fact, I look at him now and feel sorry for him and find myself thinking it`s pathetic.

My friends are telling me to shit or get off the pot…either make it work and give it a go or just leave and put it in the past.  This limbo and prevarication is driving me (and them) mad.  Not to mention, Bob, who I tell week after week that I`m leaving one day (and I mean it wholeheartedly when I say it) and then I change my mind the next.  This is not doing our relationship any good whatsoever.

I feel weak, destroyed, angry and definately indecisive.  I`ve created a list of good things vs. bad things and while the bad certainly outweigh the good – I wonder if I will carry `my behaviors`into the next relationship – or again, if it`s better the devil you know…

I know Bob feels remorse and is getting help, but I`m not sure it`s enough.  I am more confused as the days go on about what to do…

HPV – I’ve got pre-cancer – condoms do not protect

Well alas, the results are conclusive.  I have HPV and pre-cancerous cells.  I got them from Bob, who got it from Lisa.  The affair he had for a year – where he drove to a hotel and she drove over the border, left her husband and 2 children behind, and had sex about once a month after meeting in a cybersex chatroom.

They used condoms, even for oral, but CONDOMS DO NOT PROTECT AGAINST HPV OR HERPES – they are both skin to skin viruses.

I had a biopsy a couple of weeks ago and the Doctor (himself!) called to say I have moderate to serious pre-cancerous cells and that it takes years for full cancer to develop.  It is directly related to HPV. 

I go in for a 12 minute operation in April, where the cells are removed.  It’s a day operation and he says I can go back to work the next day, that my periods will be bad for 2 months and I will have massive cramping the day of the operation.  I will also have to be monitored for cell changes going forward.

I don’t suppose anyone likes pap smears, but I find them exceedingly traumatic and I cry every time.

Great.

Lisa from Buffalo: The physical affair with sex addict

Throughout this blog I have made mention about Lisa, the person Bob had an affair with.  Lisa is her real name and I am going to put as many details on here as possible about what I know of her.  She is not responsible for Bob’s acting out and he certainly would have done it with someone else, “it was the situation, not the person” – as he says.

Well, thanks Lisa – thanks for your HPV, thanks to you (and Bob) it will be my 4th time in less than 9 months going into the gynocologist’s office.  This time to check for pre-cancer.  Don’t you know, Lisa, how lucky you are to have 2 kids and a husband? 

  • Lisa’s in her mid to late 30s
  • dark shoulder length hair
  • brown eyes
  •  c-cup breasts
  • wears 3/4 length pants
  • drives across the border from buffalo, NY to meet men in Toronto
  • met on lavalife
  • she’s a hairstylist
  • she has a webcam
  • she is married
  • has 2 children, one is a boy
  • goes to Florida usually for christmas
  • meets random men and has long affairs (her’s lasted over a year with “bob”)
  • meets them at the Econolodge in Niagara
  • has a pay-as-you-go cellphone which she hides in her trunk (where the tire is kept)
  • she drives a pontiac
  • has a low rough-sounding voice (like she’s smoked for 50 years) and says “ain’t”
  • Lisa lives in Buffalo within the driving distance of the US/Canada border
  • Lisa cyber text messages things like “I want to wake up in your arms again…you always say the right things” and is quite romantic.
  • Lisa is about 5″6
  • Lisa wanted Bob to pretend to “meet her” at a club when she was there with her girlfriends, Buffalo-side
  • Lisa is obviously a sex addict or “love’ addict
  • Lisa will let men abuse her sexually and doesn’t care if she gets anything out of the sexual encounter
  • She wears her hair in ponytails sometimes
  • she meets men for an hour in a bar and then is in a hotel
  • Lisa never pays for teh hotel rooms so you wouldn’t be able to trace her that way
  • Lisa likes men that look tough
  • Sometimes says she’s going to Niagara casino with her friends
  • She talks on the phone to her husband while she’s naked in bed with another man
  • Lisa also meets during the day – usually on Mondays or Tuesdays
  • Lisa’s phone number starts with 716 361 -

When i spoke to her on the phone she told me to, “keep a check on my husband”…nice.  She was rough and mean.  Bob lied to her and told her he was in a loveless/sexless marriage. In fact, we had only met a month before they did.  He also told her numerous other lies.  The reality is, is that I was his girlfriend and she was his mistress.  Sucks for both of us.  From her romantic messages she was looking for something completely different than Bob the SA.  I feel sorry for her in a lot of ways.  That said, I feel more sorry for her husband & kids. 

They spent hours each week on the phone.  He told her whatever she wanted to hear.  he told her he had got caught with the text messages in may 07 and they needed to go on the down-lo.  He likely also told her he was away for business a lot when he was with me.  A text message I read from him said he was flying a kite with his daughter…he was with me.  Who knows what he told her. 

I do know that I have evidence to support the facts that he was trying to hook-up with other women, like Jenny from Lavalife (who he said he would have met, but she said she charged $500) and that he was emailing lot’s of women like Suhova and Holly from AshleyMadison.com while he was “with” both of us.  I caught him on online dating sites half a dozen times with fake names, profiles, etc.  He was anything from cupid to any site that supported cybersex chats.

Also…Bob lived at home with his Parents, his car was mine (he didn’t have one except his Dad’s old van), he is in debt past his eyeballs and while he did indeed have a daughter, she was not mine.  When you met we were simply BF and GF, not even that we were just dating – we met in August 06 …we did buy a house in March 08 before I found out about you and the other porn, lapdance and cybersex addictions. 

He’d have sex with me, stay at my house, leave in the morning and meet you at some point.  Then he’d come back to my place.  He didn’t get caught by me earlier because the nights when he’d meet you he would tell me he was spending it with his daughter.  Except while he was home (at his Parents) he told them he had work to do (he only works 9 to 5, never at night) and he’d go to his room and look at porn and cybersex for hours, likely sometimes with you.  Other times he would meet with you.  Needless to say he likely spent a few hours a week with his daughter due to his addiction and the most time he spent with her was when she was at my house every weekend.

Also…the dates and times I’ve checked, Bob and I got into quasi-arguements.  He used you to make him feel better, wanted needed.  You were a back-up.

Am I bitter?  Is this just a post because I am bitter – yes and also that I want other people (including SAs) to be aware of this woman.  While the men can’t get cancer from HPV – you can pass it along to your spouse, your GF or random strangers. 

Now…I carry around a piece of Lisa wherever I go…HPV…possible pre-cancer…a virus I will never be able to lose and I’ve never met her.  It’s a nice reminder about her and Bob and the 50 other people she may have subjected to this disease.

Lisa, if you read this – get help and check yourself out – if I have warts and squamous cells, so do you.

P.S. Also…Bob was cybersexing with hundreds of women, you’re the only one I have physical evidence for, that’s not to say that there weren’t other women he was meeting.  At the same time I found your text messages back in May 07 – there was another woman too, Diane from Toronto, who he was texting with.

Guess we both found out what a liar Bob is.  Hurts.  Hurts bad.

Lisa, before you do this again – think of the partners.  Think of the lies the people you have affairs with can tell you becuase you have no way to check.  Think of the disease you carry and you may kill or make someone infertile.  We have not wronged you. Think about your safety, if not for you than for your kids. 

Before the controversy about why I have not named & shamed Bob.  If I name and shame him …then I am named and shamed and I have done nothing wrong and do not want to be identified.  I’m sure you can understand.

Is Your Wife Having a Cyber Affair – Is this her?

Yep…definately bitter.  I know there is some controversy surrounding naming and shaming but I’ll be honest.  I’m tired of being Miss Nice Gal. 

So…here it is…this person has cybersexed a lot with Bob.  She was on his MSN (his was called c-me-too@hotmail.com – it’s closed now) and they chatted at least until February 08.  He or you also went by “Brands”.

I actually embarrassed to put it up here…she is not what I expected at all.  All I can think is, “you traded me in for that?”

I don’t care if you’re single or married or that your work friends may see this.  You chose to cybersex with strangers and your mom should have taught you that stranger = danger. 

You may know Bob as Nick or some other name he concocted, he may have put fake pictures up – all I know is he did lie.  For your specific picture he did say, “Well she was good at cybersex, but I put another picture up to fantacize” – how nice is that.  So there you have it.  You’re great at typing about sex … you should be proud.

This is one of the 100’s of women “Bob” had cybersex with.

 This is one of the 100's of women "Bob" had cybersex with.

Why am I not putting Bob’s pic or identifying him?  Because it would identify me

and I’ve been through enough.

Is it her fault that Bob did this?  Not at all.  But how many other people is

she screwing?  Guilty by association.

My Advice for Sex Addicts with Partners They Love

I have never been married, I have no children and I can financially support myself – I have friends who support me emotionally and a wonderful family.  So this advice doesn’t take into consideration people who cannot leave their situation for other reasons than pure emotion.  And I’m not saying leave.

Sex addicts.  My advice to you about how to keep your relationship if you want to:

  • When you get caught, or even better, before you get caught – disclose everything immediately (better if in the presense of a sex addiction counsellor).  No matter how gruesome, how hurtful it may be to your partner, how disgusted you are with yourself.  There are 2 reasons to do this…one is in your favor.  The more you tell the more likely your partner will only freak about the major stuff and smaller stuff will not register right away.  You will not have to fight, or wonder about all of the lies you’ve previously told.  Many sex addicts here will tell you it’s a relief not to have to run your brain 10 seconds ahead to ensure you remember your lies.  The other is that we are in complete shock and dismay and our brains run 50 times faster and we will barrage you with neverending questions, leading to more fights.  We will also wonder how we were fooled so easily and will hang on your every word and analse it 50 different ways and create scenarios that may not have existed.  Those scenarious will not be in your favor.
  • Answer every question, even if it’s the same question everytime, for as many and as long as it takes.  Remember that it is only you who knows what you’ve done and that we are trying to understand, to process it and quite honestly, test you to ensure your story is the same and that you’re not lying.  In fact, testing over and over, months later, possibly years later to make sure you were telling the truth.  Tell the truth now or you’ll be in the same lying head space you hate about yourself.  Including every minute detail – if we’re asking there is a reason.  May6be we’re trying to understand, maybe we’re afraid of what comes out later, maybe something just doesn’t sit right…maybe in the emotional haze we simply forget.  Maybe, maybe, maybe…trust me…just answer any and every question. Otherwise the question will still be there and we will be more and more suspicious and we’ll snoop more.
  • Snooping. Despite controversy here…let us snoop to our hearts content, give us your passwords, let us contact the other person/people if we want.  If you’ve been completely honest and you want to get healthy you will have nothing to hide and will not mind.  If you’re worried about what the other person/s will think then you do not want this current relationship.  This relationship should be your first concern and protecting yourself or others will only seem like you have chosen them over us.  Regardless about what the other person would say – the people you’re likely talking to are liars too – let us judge for ourselves.
  • Buy some books by Patrick Carnes, Robert Weiss and Jennifer Schneider.
  • Tell your partner exactly where you are at all times, allow your partner to check and do not be angry.  Yes this is a test.  Do not go inside yourself, do not feel angry at your partner for invading your privacy.  The more we snoop and find nothing the less likely that it will last forever.  However, spot checks will likely last forever.
  • Ask yourself if you want to be in this relationship.  If you can stand all of the feeling sorry for yourself, all of the blame, the guilt, the partner feeling sorry, the tense quiet bits, the fact that your relationship will never be the same, the fact that you’ll have to prove yourself in so many ways, the fact that your freindships and family relationships may change, the fact that you will be no longer able to act out and that you have to face reality and likely never masterbate and hopefully not fantacize again.  That you will not be trusted until you earn it again.  That the person who looked at you yesterday with admiration will look at you without respect and without trust, possibly disgust, and will feel sorry for you.  But, will likely want to help you and trust you and wants to believe in you.
  • Talk to your partner about your headspace, during, before and now that it’s out.  Talking about your fears does not make you weak it makes you strong becuase you are facing them. 
  • Do not listen to your partner’s first reaction if they are calling you names.  You just hit them from behind and the shock makes us do and say funny things. It is the shock and not the reality of our thoughts that speak for us.  Plus, at this stage we don’t know what sex addiction is – we think it is an unlawful stuff. 
  • Get help.  Join a group like SLAA.  You’ll find others in the same boat and it is good for realizing you are not alone.  You do not have to speak till you’re comfortable – usually after those aha moments.
  • Get a couples counsellor, hopefully one versed in SA, and go together.  If you’ve disclosed everything definately take a lie detector test.  If you read one of the polls here it’ll tell you that it’s not the sex (predominantly) that hurts us.  It’s the duplicity and never knowing if you’re telling the truth.  Think of anyway to prove it.
  • Tell your partner exactly how you feel about them and more importantly show them.  We are looking to ensure that we aren’t just maids, paying the bills…a in-house lifestyle choice, old “faithful”.  We are looking for reassurance that you do indeed love us, that you think we’re attractive/sexy, that you want to be with us not just the situation.  Us.  And why you want to be with us and not some cheesy..becuase you’re funny.  Use examples of the things you love about us.  Buying expensive gifts is not the answer – buying thoughtfukl things is…I was at the store thinking about you and I got you this pack of gum becasue I know it’s your favorite goes further than a diamond tennis bracelet where we’d all think it was motive and also…what have you done now.  Cards.  We like cards, letters and the written word.  It’s easy to have a conversation, but the thought and time it takes to craft a letter – a genuine letter – not just cheese goes a long, long way.  You can test this by the number of times he/she reads it.  Where we put it and if we carry it around with us.
  • Remember we are going through all the stages of grief at one time…especially anger.  It can change in minutes.  Bare with us.  Don’t get mad – understand that it feels like we have lost someone / something we love and it feels worse than someone dying.  It’s a lot worse, we think you chose (conciously or subconciously) to do these things and realize that our whole world was a lie.  Not that something/someone was just taken from us.
  • Our self esteem is shot.  Completely.  Don’t say untruth’s we know you’re lying.  Don’t say, you’ve got the best ass when we don’t.  Say truth’s only.  You have great eyes, I like the way you…it’s important to me that…  If your partner pushed you away…just keep doing it.  With the lack of self esteem now we likely do not believe you, we don’t believe it ourselves.  But keep on saying and doing things that will help us believe it.
  • Point out any other lies unrelated to sex that you may have told.  You may as well get it out there.  We’re already going back to every second of our relationship and wondering if things are true.  Plus, this will make you more credible becuase there’s been no evidence that you are backpeddling from.
  • In bed, look at us – in our eyes, say our names, spend more time kissing, massaging - make it known that you are know you are sleeping with us and not some fantasy.  If you’re zoning out or fantacizing stop.  If we start crying stop, cuddle and talk, rationally.  Tell your partner what you want in bed.  We feel like we are the worst sex queens out there now – be honest with what you want, also say what you’ve liked with your partner, and ask what they want, what would make them feel good.  Talk about it after.  Do not criticize…learning to be intimate with your partner takes time.  Criticism now will end your relationship.  Still buy lingerie and say they look great in it.
  • Tell your partner exactly what your relationship was with the other person(s) – if you thought you loved the other person, if it was just sex, if … whatever.  Be honest…we’re looking for and will be looking for answers forever.  Until we find the genuine one.
  • Do not shut down and not talk, do not put a timeline on things…”I’ve been healthy for 6 months now, my affiar was over a year ago, why aren’t you getting over this:
  • Above all…stop all activities, do not even end it with other people (or end it with your partner present) just leave that all behind – you may get sucked back into it, do not just look, do not go anywhere or see anyone that may trigger you.  Concentrate on getting you healthy and both of you healthy.
  • Tell your partner all of your triggers and how to tell if you’re slipping.  If you’ve had a slip or relapse tell your partner right away.  As hard as it is.  
  • Be true to yourself and others.
  • Let your partner help 
  • We all react differently to trauma.  If your partner leaves and asks for space, give it to them.  If your partner needs to yell and scream let them – respect what they ask for.
  • Figure out why you think the way you do, when you act out, how it started, your family of origin.  Do not just “white knuckle” (where out of sheer will you just don’t act out, but never understand why or try to fix yourself into thinking normally) get to the bottom of it (it’s going to be hard) and change your thought patterns.  All people don’t have affairs, don’t cybersex, don’t look at porn…open your eyes to the truth, not just some media swaggle.  If you’re hiding something you’re doing something wrong.

I could go on but basically here are teh main points:

  • Be honest and disclose everything.  Be honest with yourself and your partner.
  • Answer every question truthfully.
  • remember that the person you’ve betrayed, virtually or physcially, is in differing stages of grief.
  • Be open.  Do not hide anything from emotions to physical objects, passwords.
  • Your partner has now no self esteem.  Genuinely show and tell them what you love about them.
  • Find the reason you got here and explain to your partner.
  • Honesty is better than wondering how much you can hurt your partner – dishonesty hurts the most.
  • Make a plan to get well.
  • Tell your partner when you have urges, keep an open dialogue
  • Do not criticize your partner
  • Understand the addiction, read books, seek help and ask your partner to read/go with you.  Include your partner in your recovery.
  • Do not act out.  If you continue you must be honest with your partner and give them the choice to stay or leave.

My Decision to Stay or Leave Sex Addict

Hi Everyone,

It’s been ages since I posted and I have to be honest and say that I haven’t been keeping up on emails, comments, etc. and I feel guilty.  So, I’m sorry.

The last couple of months have been very confusing and clarifying for me.  The truth is I like challenges and throughout this whole misadventure I wanted to ensure that “Bob” was into me and that the other women  were just sex and there was no emotional connection.  This period of my life was certainly a challenge and it has ripped the core out of my soul.  I have become someone I do not know and do not like.

Before I met “Bob” I liked who I was – it took me till I was in my early 30s to get that way, but I was confident in who I was, what I looked like and so many other things.  I knew definitively my strengths and weaknesses.  Now I am angry all of the time…that is not me.  I yelled at my boss, everything I say or do or how I analyse things at work is negative and tainted with edge.  While I’ve always been sarcastic – I have not had that sardonic edge.

To top things off I see the world, relationships and men differently now.  I liked the way I saw it before – that people can fall in love, that people can be faithful and that the world doesn’t revolve around the way someone looks or the triggers in someone’s mind.  That deeply people are attracted to others for their warmth, their sense of humour, their intelligence and kindness and so many other inside things and that looks were something that attracted you to someone initially, but love came from the innerself.  Cheesy as that sounds.

I have become more of a watcher, a shrinking violet and I watch people at the gym and on the street. I watch how women flaunt themselves (men too) sexually to gain attraction.  I used to do it myself.  I compare myself to every woman out there and they always seem to be better than me now and I hate that.  I’ve always considered myself attractive until now.  I don’t have long hair, big boobs, legs that go on forever – I see the women the men stare at now.  But as I lower my eyes to everyone and anyone I do not notice if they look at me.  I feel ugly.  And I see, rightly or wrongly, that my brains, my career, my old sense of humour, my kindness and innerself would not matter now. 

This is not a great way to feel.  I feel like I’m going/am crazy.  I was thinking about going on anti-depressants and thought, why?  I am very unhappy – miserable in fact – and the only thing that will get me out of this slump is to change something.  I like my career and the company I work for, I adore my friends and I have one heck of a great family.  I am lucky in a lot of ways, but I seem to obsess about the crap things now.

Things I don’t like …my commute to work, my BF’s family and the fact that my brain doesn’t switch off and I ALWAYS wonder what Bob’s up to, where I was when he did everything, how it is possible that I really would never have thought he could ever do this, how he could leave my house and sleep with someone else and call me from the hotel after his session, how Bob could use or objectify other people, how I’ll never know if he’s disclosed everything, if he can fall off the wagon – but mostly, I can’t get the visions out of my head or come to any resolution about why (he still can’t explain it) or how he could do this – but mostly I do not ever think I could trust him again.  Not even one little bit. 

It’s not the fact that he had sex with another person (predominantly) it’s the duplicity, the lies and after getting caught with text messages and continuing to lie and cheat and look me in the face and pretend that everything was  normal.  It’s the “how could he live two seperate lives” and act the whole time like the perfect boyfriend and how on God’s green earth did I ever, and I mean ever, think we had a near perfect relationship and that at 38 years old I finally found the man I could get old with. 

Who the heck is this person?  And how was he such a great liar.  And how did he show up at my house nearly every night, daughter in tow and pretend?  How did I not know?  I beat myself up at this and I know that he is such a great liar that he could easily do this again.  If he’s in a good mood I wonder why – if he’s in a bad mood I wonder why.  He’s starting to feel again and he cranks at me and I wonder if his (imaginary) GF has made him mad or it’s me.

I am sick of analyzing.  I am sick of wondering.  I am sick of BS.  I am sick of looking at him and feeling zero respect and instead feeling sorry for him.  I am sick of my brain never shutting off.  Of having to know every minute detail.  Of things I think have happened, but he says they haven’t – but my brain won’t stop and still won’t stop until like he says, “he tells me what I want to hear” – and I want him to say that the bruise on his nipple was from that bitch, Lisa or someone else. 

I want him to say that there were other women, because quite frankly, I can’t believe that his addiction in 2 years and out of the hundreds of people he cybersexed with – no one else wanted to meet.  Even though he admitted (I had a bit of evidence) that he tried to hook-up with Jenny from Lavalife (until she said her meetings were $500) and Diane from Toronto who at the last minute couldn’t do that to her husband.  He just says having one other person on the side was too much work.  As a reminder…Lisa and Bob stopped f’**king last October and 2 months before that he sent emails out to 9+ women that I found – one being Jenny.  So as his realization that Lisa was a real person with feelings, who allegedly wanted more (maybe it was Bob who wanted more.  Maybe it was Lisa who dumped him – who knows and this is what drives me nuts.  The not knowing, not believing, always being in the gray space.  And like Bob says, until he says what I want to hear – which is the negative, the stuff that makes logical sense to me - than I’ll never be able to move on.) he’s admitted that if one of those women had worked out taht he may have had an affair with them. 

The one thing Bob has always said…is…if you’re going to lie, just give them a bit more than the evidence and they’ll think you’re telling the truth.  Learned that as a boy, when shady characters from an Italian men’s club were the only people who gave him attention. 

Then he says at the same time that he would get the same “high” from cybersex and then porn and it was faster, so when he stopped the meeting in hotels with Lisa – he says that the other stuff was enough. 

So you can see…mentally, I am no further ahead then I was 5 months ago, in fact now I’m angrier than ever and jaded.

On Bob’s note…he is still going to his SLAA meetings and says he hasn’t acted out at all since May when he got caught, including masterbation.  He says it’s hard, but that he would rather talk with the group than with me since I throw everything back in his face.  Which, I’ll be honest, I do – not to be nasty, but everything he says I analyse and then have a gazillion other questions and my brain starts obsessing about that.  (Stuff like, “how is it that I can live like this when I feel like I’m competing with every other woman on the planet” and a gazillion other things.)  Bob says he sees the world differently too and realizes what an addicted brain he lived in most of his life and that he wants to be normal – even if I left he’d still go to meetings and get healthy.

Isn’t a good portion of this addiction about intimacy issues?  How can you be intimate if you don’t share with your partner?  How can I keep throwing everything up in his face and expect him to have heart-to-heart’s with me? 

Before I met Bob, I loved sex, thought I was good at it and was “randy” for it all the time.  Now, the thought of sex just makes me feel inadequate, not sexy at all and I figure with Bob that I can never compete with his fantasies, the rush he’d get with strangers that he’d never be able to get from me and I’ve given up trying to please him in bed and he wonders why I just lay there.  Before I found out about this addiction, the affair, etc.  I bought lingerie a lot, and really enjoyed and made an effort to be queen of the bedroom.  I figure now that I gave him all I had in bed and what’s the point now.  I can’t compete.  Plus, I don’t feel sexual at all – no drive.  So we’re not having sex and since he’s trying to get healthy…he says I hold all of the power.  If I say no, then he can’t do anything at all.  I don’t want this power, the guilt or the wondering if he’ll eventually justify me not putting out to go elsewhere.  And thinking like that (and when we were intimate wondering if he’s fantasizing about someone else, if it’s perfunctory or if he did “this” with Lisa – and those crappy, horrible, gut-wrenching visions of her) just makes me not want to have sex even more.  In fact, I don’t want him to touch me at all.  We are not having sex now.

We went to Recovering couples Anon (RCA) for awhile and while the people there were lovely and welcoming I didn’t get much out of the meetings.  There was no concrete advice on how to cope, it was more a venting thing and I have friends and family for that.  I’m not saying that there isn’t value there, I’m sure there is for people who can’t discuss these issues anywhere else.  I din’t connect with anyone there – always thought “those people” – most of them were still going after 5+ years.  I thought if I had to still be going that long than there obviously would be no real intimacy or trust or something with my partner.  Wrong and judgemental, I know.

We also started couples counselling before I found out about the affair/ the addiction…only to find out that our counsellor did more damage than good.  He told Bob, after he was a confirmed sex addict, that it was perfectly acceptable to comment on a woman’s cleavage if she was wearing a low cut top, because that’s why she’d wear it.  Bob said he’d get fired for that and does he (shrink) realize he’s a sex addict.  We never went to another counsellor at all.  Bob tried to get an appointment with the only SA counsellor in our city – but his calls were never returned.  Apparently.

I would have liked to go to individual counselling, but I know logically that if I went to a shrink and retold the story that he/she would say get the hell out.  If I went to an SA counsellor they would have said to stay and given me justifications about how Bob loves me, is afraid of emotion and everything else I’ve read in the SA books and I should set up boundaries and give him a chance, etc.  So I was afraid of their votes and afraid that the logical side of me would be over-ruled by persuasion.  I needed to come to an answer myself.  Plus, if I’m honest, I leave the house very early in the morning and don’t return till late.  Where can you find an appointment after 8pm or weekends?  If I was charging $100+ an hour I surely wouldn’t want to work nights or weekends.

So…

The reality is…that Bob and I had a new relationship where that should be the best part of a relationship.  The awkwardness, the getting to know you, the necking in the car for hours, the touching, the excitement…all of it, before you get intimate (emotionally) with someone and comfortable.  I feel robbed.  All the time we were getting to know each other, while all of those nervous feelings were swirling around, while 2 years later and buying a house together, was exciting and good memories for me…he was not there mentally.  He compared me to every woman he looked at, cybersexed with, etc.  He didn’t buy a house with me to be with me, but likely to get out of his situation.  (It doesn’t matter that he says he did love me all that time and that the others were just sex – just a messed-up fix.) 

I feel robbed and there is nothing for me to think otherwise.  All of the good memories are now replaced with…when he went to the bathroom did he text message someone…when I took him to Dominican for his 40th (all expenses paid) why did he immediately go online when we got back (and was he jonesing when we were there).  It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t about me that “it was about his addiction” and that his feeling were genuine. 

Genuinely, he put his feelings/needs/urges above mine and put not only my emotions on the hot grill, but my health too. I find out next month if I have pre-cancer, due to squamous cells on my cervix and I have warts on my bits, due to HPV.  For the record, it was from him and not anyone else.  I had a full STD check when I met Bob before we had sex.  I made him wait the 2 months before my HIV test came back.  He said he had an STD check too at the same time, but he’s such a liar about everything (not just the sex stuff), who knows.  During the time I was trying to protect him from something I could possibly have had (I was clean) he was meeting Lisa ( a stranger he met in a cybersex chatroom) in a hotel room for sex.  They used condoms, but condoms do not protect against skin-to-skin diseases like HPV or herpes and more.  We decided not to use condoms because we both ”clean” and if I got pregnant, I got pregnant.  Plus, he had difficulty getting them on since he was never that hard, so it just made things frustrating and the moment lost.  So thanks for protecting her and not me. 

I now feel sorry and angry at this Lisa.  I talked to her on the phone and she was a rough-sounding imbecile.  Bob said she was a plain Jane with C-cups and that she was the only one that would meet.  That you could have replaced her with anyone- that it was the situation and not the person .  He says when she’d call him or he’d call her whenever she was talking about anything but sex that he’d say his wife was on the phone and he had to go.  He told her a million lies.  And she likely told him a million too.  She is definately a sex addict too – anyone who would put themselves at risk to meet a stranger, that they met cybersexing, in a hotel room in another state, far away from the safety of home,  once a month for sex has to be.  I’ve tried to contact her again so she’d get herself checked out (HPV pre-cancer is treatrable if they catch it fast enough), but she has changed her number and she’s untraceable now.  If I’m honest not for her sake, but for the other unsuspecting women out there who’s partner’s she’s sleeping with.  Bob wasn’t the first one – she admitted to him. 

Mostly, I feel bad for her that she got to be a sex addict for likely childhood issues and that she turns to men to “fix” whatever needs she has, only to be used (and likely use) and be disgarded like she probably always was.  Plus – here’s the nasty side of me – she’s not very bright, not attractive and uses sex as her way to attract people, they are not into her, just the sex. 

But I am jealous of her.  She knew about me and I didn’t know about her.  She got protected, I didn’t.  She knows what Bob wants in bed, I only know what he likely only wants me to know and she could pretend to be anyone she wanted, she only had to look good once a month, he shaved his head and waxed his car and looked great for her once a month.  I got the non-showered, farting version most of the time with the occasional dress-up. 

Mostly though…I’m jealous because I know that he could never feel that sexually excited with me because our meetings were not clandestine, because I wear flannel PJs most of the time and becasue I nag about bills, his parenting skills, housework, and a gazillion other things.  She just got to tell him what he wanted to hear and get told what she wanted to hear.  It must feel great being a constant state of romance (until you realize that it was all a ploy for sex). All part of the ritual sex visits.  That she knew exactly what happened in that room and that I know how romantic and charming he can be and while he was wooing me in the beginning he was also wooing her.

 So these last few months I’ve been doing some deep soul searching.

The biggest part now is what do I want from my life?  I want a normal life, a normal relationship and I want to be part of an extended family that I respect (Bob’s Mother is the biggest liar and manipulator ever – the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, I guess) and I want a child.  I want to feel calm.  I want the person I used to be back.  I want to respect and adore the person I’m with (and not wonder if I’m tired and don’t want sex (or if we argue)  if that’s a justification for my partner to seek a fix).

The reality is…I do love Bob still.  But he cannot provide me with the loving, stable environment that I want.  That if we could work this out, there is still the issue of his Mother.  That if we had a child together there would be a number of issues…the stress, would it make him act out, if I was spending most of time with the child would his needs not be met and that would selfishly “justify” him seeking it elsewhere – I know for certain that my child would not be allowed to stay at his Mother’s unsupervised – and that in itself would cause all kinds of arguements.  I’m almost 39, my biological clock is ticking, I may already have pre-cancer and that might complicate things anyway – do I have the time to sit by based on hope and faith?  The answer is no.  If I want a good family I cannot simply sit-by for what ifs.

Consequences.  We all make decisions, conciously or subconciously, but they are decisions.  Whether Bob is an addict or not the reality is…he mislead me to believe he was someone he wasn’t, he made the choice to sleep with at least one other person, he made the choice to not be “intimate” emotionally or take that risk and no matter how I slice the pie, no matter what excuses I make for his abysmal childhood, the reality is – he cheated for most of our relationship, he lived a double-life, he lied about his commitment to me, his feelings for me, he mislead me to believing we had a future together, I cannot compete with his imagined perfect woman and that I cannot be held responsible for his actions. 

He did this to himself, to us and to me personally - he chose it.  There are no guarantees that he won’t do it again.  The thought that he could use people is not a trait in the person I want to be with, the thought that he can be someone else and keep it hidden and be duplicitous and not affect him when he was with me, the fact that he lied about who he was through and through (including lying about coaching his kid’s soccer team, his finances, living in other countries), it is mostly the fact that he is a great, great liar and I will never know what is true or who he really is and I am incredibly disappointed and I feel a fool.

The man I fell in love with and the part of him I still love is his kindness, his willingness to help me, his family, my family and his friends, the romantic, charming person, the tough looking exterior and pussycat interior, his ease of life, his intelligence and his ability to make me laugh, to calm me down.  The way he was with my pets – the way he took care of me, the way he listened, the way I felt safe with him.  The way I thought he adored me and the way I felt like I was in the best relationship of my life.  The way I was sexually free with him and trusted him.  Mostly, the ease/comfortable nature of our realtionship.  I was always me, I never had to put on a mask to appease him – it felt good.

I’ll miss the person I thought he was and I’ll miss the relationship I so gloatingly and greatfully thought I had.

Understanding the causes behind sex addiction

Sex addiction – in what ever form can be attributed to feelings of escape, of living in a fantasy world and mostly hiding from feelings.  There’s a great article at the selfhelptips blog with this as the guts – I think it sums it up nicely.

So how are we to understand this sexual behavior, especially coming from men who have so much to lose? From my practice as a Psychiatrist for over 40 years, I have learned some of the underlying hidden motivations that lead individuals to have multiple sexual partners and extramarital affairs. Here are some of the causes:

1. You grew up with a very rejecting parent – To protect against future rejection, you are likely to not become too emotionally connected with a partner. Having many affairs is one way to achieve this emotional distance and hence maintain your emotional safety.

2. You have a parent or sibling who was or is too dependent on you for fulfillment – In future relationships, you might feel an anxiety about being burdened by your partner’s needs, just as you were burdened by your parent’s needs. Again, creating distance is a way of communicating to your partner not to depend on you too much.

3. You were raised by an authoritarian controlling parent and were required to be excessively submissive and obedient – This may cause you to be fearful of being controlled by your partner. Having many affairs would protect you from being controlled and taken advantage of.

4. You have a parent or sibling who may have been excessively competitive with you for the attention of the opposite sex parent – To protect the parent or sibling from feeling envious of you, you fail in your relationships by having many partners.

5. You have a parent who lives vicariously through your sexual exploits, and you fulfill their needs by demonstrating your sexual promiscuity over and over.

6. Your parent was overly moralistic and critical of sex – You protest against this by rebelling and doing the opposite. You communicate your resentment of your parent’s Victorian morality by having as many affairs as possible.

7. In families where a parent or parents had affairs, their behavior sets an example, “a role model,” of how to behave. For example, in the Kennedy family, Joseph, the father of John, Robert and Ted was very promiscuous, and all of his sons followed suit.

8. If your parent is disdainful and contemptuous of the opposite sex, you may follow suit as a way of not feeling better off or superior.

9. Your parent excessively required you to always please or rescue him or her, and you felt that it was your responsibility to make that parent feel good – You may make it your mission to make the opposite sex feel good, and hence you may get into multiple relationships not because you care about the other person, but because it makes you feel good to make someone of the opposite sex feel good.

Great Article About Female Sex & Love Addicts

I found a good article about female sex and love addicts.  I’m going to put the whole article here (there are triggers on the landing page so I can’t provide a link).  It’s written very tongue and cheek, and makes light of the issue – but in fact there are some good tidbits of info in it.

It was written November 14th, by Betty Boudoir and posted on RubyRoom.aol.co.uk.  – I hope this is proper attribution.

Addicted to Love: The Growing Number of Women with Sex Addiction

The lothairo’s favourite habit is becoming more and more common among women. No longer reserved for celebrity playboys, the likes of Russell Brand and David Duchovny are now accompanied by scores of women who simply can’t get enough.

“In America, 30% of people coming in for treatment for sex addiction are female,” says Don Serratt, director of Life Works, which offers sex-addiction treatment in the UK. In this country, few women present themselves as sex addicts, but that doesn’t mean the problem is less prevalent. “They’ll come for help with alcoholism, drug addiction or depression and, in the course of treatment, the sex addiction, the root cause of the other addictions, will be uncovered.”

Dirty buggers eh? But hang on a sec, you like sex, you like it a lot…are you a sex addict then? Well let’s take a look at your personal CV.

How long has your longest relationship lasted? If you count yourself unlucky in love and have had a series of relationships lasting around 3 months at a time you might want to keep on reading.

Do you have sex with a series of men and try to convince yourself you’ve found love only to find out a month or so later that your eye has started wandering to the nearest available crotch? Well the good news is you’re not alone.
Susan Cheever, a self-confessed sex addict and author of Desire: Where Sex Meets Addiction, agrees that this blurring between lines of the compulsions of love and sex is common among women. “If there is a difference between sex and love addiction, I don’t know what it is,” she says. “Sometimes people say they just fall in love too frequently. Are they saying they don’t want to have sex with those people? Love addict sounds nicer for sure.”

So next time you catch yourself lusting after the removal man, the spotty trolley boy in Tesco’s or the photocopier toner salesman ask yourself what future you see yourself having with this man. Can you see a sprawling pad in the country littered with laughing children and dogs or can you see you and he locked in a broom cupboard for 5 minutes thrashing about followed by remorse and shame?

Do you crave intimacy? It’s not something we, as independent women would like to admit but do you seek male validation? In some respect, frighteningly, we all do but it’s knowing where to draw the line and what means you use to get it that defines us as a sex addict or not.

Drink fuelled shenanigans on a regular basis usually underline the problem. Some friends will even think you’re an alcoholic before they think you’ve got a problem with sex.

“For women, sex addiction is a form of self-abuse, to hand their body over to the nearest taker,” says Sally Crompton, psychologist and agony aunt. “In all the letters I get from women, the core issue is an inability to connect and a lack of self-worth. Funnily enough, the impulse behind women’s sex addiction is essentially a good one – an attempt to be intimate – but, because the person doesn’t understand what intimacy or boundaries mean, they get locked into this behaviour. Ultimately, sex addiction is a distortion of the self.”

If you can hear an echo of yourself in Sally’s words, don’t panic, you like sex and it might just be that you’re a horny little minx but just in case you feel a little bit saddened by your realisation that this might something more, just know that you’re not alone. There’s nothing to be ashamed and hey, if Ulrika Jonsson can admit to it on national TV then, so can we.

- The British Association for Sexual and Relationship Therapy provides a list of therapists
- Sex Addicts Anonymous;
- Life Works

 

I also just found a great post from Rae at Rae’s Confessions entitled “Women are Sex Addicts Too” – it’s got some great quotes http://raesconfessions.blogspot.com/2008/11/women-are-sex-addicts-too.html

SLAA Meetings & Honesty

Bob comes back from the SLAA meetings.  Sometimes he talks to me and sometimes he doesn’t afterwards.  I usually ask a battery of questions.  Bob thinks I’m “investigating” – trying to find out if he’s actually gone or trying to get more out of the answers.

Truth is I do believe he goes - he knows I know where it is located.  He went for coffee afterwards once and I asked him where it was.  I could have done drive-bys but I didn’t.  I figure if he’s giving me a location then he’s being honest and he knows I may check.  I am afterall supersleuth.

Bob said last week’s SLAA meeting was about trust (he picked it - he chairs) and one guy said he didn’t trust himself.  Bob said he didn’t trust himself, but it that he wasn’t acting out.  I asked what he meant and he said that’s between him and the meeting.  I was miffed.  Isn’t getting healthy as a couple about sharing, creating intimacy and trusting – at least in terms of emotions?

So I brought it up again today (I have a new rule – no talking about ”this” stuff on the weekend.  We seriously have talked about this everyday for 6 months. I always bring it up.  Think of new things.  Always trying to figure out the when, where was I…trying to figure out how I didn’t know, I guess).  Today he said that I have no right to ask about his meetings – that there is a confidentiality rule.  To which I say, “well then I have a right to walk out the door.”

I understand that he doesn’t want to talk about the others, but truly I am still looking for the words that make this better and some deeper understanding. 

I am also looking for deep emotional intimacy with Bob.  Bob still does not trust me emotionally.  I guess it takes time and what happens if I force the issue?  He does tell me, under duress and it is matter of fact.

I guess I shouldn’t threaten him with leaving and I don’t do it that often anymore, but the truth is…if I’m not happy and I feel he’s keeping secrets I also have every right to be happy and if I have to walk out that door I will.  It’s a boundary of mine.  No BS, just truth and honesty with himself and with me.

The only issue is – should he be able to be honest in his meetings getting him healthy and leave me out of it?  I think it’s more about sharing as a couple, believing in someone and risking trust now.

Where’s the bloody guidebook?  

So here’s the poll?

By the way, Bob was referring to the fact that he has to remove himself from triggers or he wouldn’t trust himself.  At least that’s what he says now.  Who knows what he really meant.

Questions about sex addiction – and answers

I’ll be putting up polls on a regular basis.  I will use the data as topics of posts going forward – so please participate – it’s anonymous.

Also, if there are topics/discussions/feelings/questions/answers I’m not covering and you want to know…comment on this post and I’ll do my best to answer or I can ask Bob for his answers (he’ll be helping me with the polls for SAs)

Please remember I’m not an expert – just a crazy, mixed up gal going through this

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Anger Again – Partner of sex addict and grief

I am angry, not just with Bob, but with the whole world.  One good friend thinks this is normal and a normal part of the grieving process.  You know, the 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and/or acceptance. Personally, I think it’s fitting since I’ve lost the person and the relationship “I thought” I had.

I’m not only angry but I blame Bob for everything – even when it’s not his fault.  I blame him for my weight gain, for my crappy commute, issues with my job…everything.

I have never been overwhelmed with anger before – this is completely new for me.  I get angry when I’ve been standing in the elevator and someone comes in last minute and pushes the button for a floor below mine – becasue it means that’s another 3 seconds I lose at work.  I get angry becasue the person behind me at the grocery store is standing to close, etc.  Oh yes, I’m going crazy.

I really just want these stages of grief to pass.  I want to be able to “recover” myself and with Bob, but these damned emotions are blurring my thought process.  And I can tell you, I am no fun to be around what-so-ever. 

I don’t even like me at this point. 

I was angry before when this stuff came to light and everyday at Bob, at the situation – now I’m just teeth-clenchingly angry.  It’s different and I hate it – but maybe that’s just the anger talking.

Great post about “the meetings”

I’ve been a fan of Gentlepath’s blog for awhile and she has some great posts which explain what sex addiction and sex addiction recovery is about.

Today’s post starts like this:

One of the things I hear over and over in recovery is that you can’t stop going to meetings. From the outside looking in, it’s depressing because it seems like I’ve got to stay focused on the dark side if I want to have a good life. Do I really need to have my sex addiction rubbed in my face for the rest of my life? That’s what my mom did to the cats when they peed on the rug.
 

Read the rest, read the whole thing…she’s profound

HPV, Sex Addiction, Celibacy, Babies & Me

Sorry, I’ve been off the map for awhile and thank you all for your emails and concern.  It’s nice to know that our virtual community is a close one.

So this past month has been weird.  We started going to RCA, which is good.  Either by chance or maybe it’s the meetings things have started to calm down for me and Bob.  I’m not so “crazy” absorbed in this and, sex addiction aside, we’re trying to figure out a path that is good for us.  But we’re as confused as ever.

I promised the RCA group that I would not discuss anything here :(

Bob is still going to SLAA and is now chairing the group some weeks.  He has almost 6 months sobriety.  He’s completed 60-days of celibacy.  Which he still doesn’t know if it was beneficial.  He looks beaten and distressed.  When he came off the celibacy we weren’t sure what to do for sex between us.  It’s a struggle now.  Before this addiction reared its head I thought we had a pretty normal and good sex life.  We were doing it about 3 times a week on average, it was good and I really wanted to be intimate with him.  Looking back, there were no signs that he was acting out, that we had any issues in bed – apart from sometimes he had performance issues.

Now that I’ve also had 60 days of celibacy I find that I have lost interest in sex.  Everytime we start being intimate I see his hands on Lisa – I wonder if he touched her like he touches me.  I also just don’t have the interest and I worry that if I don’t “put out” that he will start acting out.  Not becuase of the actual sex, but because he’ll feel like I don’t want him and feel rejected which will lead him down the path that got us here.  I also wonder if he’s really “with me.”  He also says he feels pressured.  So it’s awkward and it’s definately the elephant in the room.  Lot’s of uncomfortable silences. 

I also may not feel like sex because I’ve gained 30 pounds, feel extremely unattractive and can’t stop eating.  While I do have an eating disorder I am not throwing up or using exlax like I used to in my teens and early twenties.  I blame Bob for my weight gain too – wrongly, I know.  I have joined the gym and I’m trying at least to get back in the swing of things – hoping the exercise will help me to stop eating.  Before I met Bob I was confident, trendy and felt very attractive.  Now, I feel like a shrinking violet – I just try and hide in the periphery.  I will not buy any clothes and now wear things that somewhat fit – not what I want.  The way I feel about myself makes me exceedingly cranky – especially when I work in a large city, in a high rise building where there are many, many beautiful women.

I have now also started really looking at women, jealously. It seems everyone, in my distorted view, looks way better than I do.  I don’t even notice men on the street anymore.  It seems I am viewing women with a sex addict’s eye, but without the sex – simply jealousy. 

I went in for the HPV test again (after 2 abnormals).  My Doctor treated me like crap and when I had to take my sample to another part of the building the staff couldn’t figure out how to process the $90 payment and were yelling “just put in HPV test” with a full waiting room (about 50 people).  So I was mortified.  I’ve been going to the same practice since I was 7 and my whole family still goes.  So I just got in my car and cried and cried and cried – I’m angry with Bob for putting me through this.

I now have warts on my “bits” and while my HPV & HPV DNA test (they test the strain to find out if it’s the cancer causing strain or the actual wart strain)  haven’t come back the warts are evidence it will be positive.  My Doctor found squamous cells on my cervix.  This is scary, squamous cells and HPV, can be precancerous or cancerous.  There have been changes “down there” that I am already aware of and I’m scared. 

FYI: Bob used condoms (even flavored ones for oral) – they are not 100% effective against HPV – it’s skin to skin contact. Some people have no signs or symptoms.  I would guess that chances of contracting HPV from random encounters, massage parlours, prostitutes, etc. is high.  Bob didn’t act out with prostitutes or at massage parlours.

Bob is in tears all the time, the guilt, etc.  And all I can think is, “I have someone else’s virus in me and I’ve never even met her.” I wanted to let Lisa know about this becuase she would also have the same strain, but since I angrily called her it seems she’s changed her number.  As she admitted to being a serial affairee and she didn’t know exactly who I was talking about specifically when I called her a few months back and the fact that she met Bob in a hotel after meeting him for an hour, then once a month for over a year – I figure that she’s likely spread this deadly virus around.  Bob doesn’t have any of her information anymore, no Skype address, no email address, nothing. He doesn’t know her last name, where she lives or where she works – all he knows is that she’s a hairdresser and likely a sex addict. 

So the thought that I may have cancer at 38 years old is scary, but it also lays another predicament before me. I want a child.  I have abnormal cervical cells, regardless if it’s cancerous, pre-cancerous or not – it seems I have issues.  WIth my age and these issues I feel like the proverbial clock is ticking.  Bob isn’t 100% sure he wants another child (he has a 9 year old daughter), but hasn’t ruled it out either.  I’m not sure right now is the best time to have a child either, well I know it;s not – but do I close a window, albeit a weak window, of opportunity? 

If we have a child then it will interfere with his recovery and I’ve read many blogs and stories that say that while partners were giving birth their spouses were lost in acting out – sometimes even forgetting to pick-up their new baby and Mother from the hospital.  All due to to the stress of it all.  If we do have a child it will cause bedlam in terms of arguments.  I would never let my child be unsupervised around his family.  He’s European and that would be a “wrong”.  However, I would let my child do anything with my family.

Plus, Bob lied about finances and he is in a financial mess and my job isn’t 100% safe during these times.  I am also on contract and I may possibly not have a job to go back to and we just bought a large house in March.  I also have a large debtload due to having many student loans (my last degree was 2003) and other things.

So it’s not an ideal situation, but if I wait I may never have a child – who knows if I can even have a child now.  Bob & I were trying from March to May this year until this sex addiction shocker.

I’m angry that my life is so affected by what Bob’s done.  That we have to figure this out now and not let it be natural.  That I don’t even want to have sex with him, but we may have to try and have a child.  That some woman I’ve never met didn’t disclose and is out there infecting others – squamous cells are for the most part directly related to HPV.  That I have warts on my vagina that the Doctor is going to have to freeze off.  That my time is being stolen by this – I don’t have much as it is with a daily 4 hour commute to work.

Emotional things relating directly to the sex addiction feel like they are not as intense.  Now we feel a bit lost in our relationship and there are many uncomfortable silences.  I don’t (we don’t) particularly want to have sex. Bob thinks he may be sexually anorexic – he’s afraid to do anything, afraid if he has performance issues that I’ll think he’s acting out and unclear as to why he wants to have sex when he does – is it a fix or is it that he wants to be with me intimately.  He’s scared.

Anyone want to be part of a documentary on sex addiction?

I was approached a few weeks ago to be part of a TV documentary.  While I appreciate and feel honored by the offer my anonymity is more important to me at this point.

If anyone wants to be involved in this documentary please email me and I can pass on your info.  betrayedbycyber@hotmail.com

One Foot, Two Foot – Relationships & Sex Addiction

Bob & I had an interesting conversation the other night about our relationship.  I think he really understood what I’ve been trying to say over these past 5 months.  We generally need an intrepreter becuase what I think I’m saying and what he understands are 2 different things entirely – and vice versa.

I asked him when (and if) he was 2 feet in this relationship and when he stopped being one foot in the door and one foot out the door.  I told him that in our initial 5 months (when I was a bitch), back in August – December 2006, that I was afraid of getting close to him and that my trip (alone) to Paris that Xmas made me realize that I did indeed love him and that I wanted to be serious with him.  That I had spent the past 2 years fully engaged and had two feet in.  That there were times where I’d retract into myself becasue I’d find him on online dating sites.

Now here’s the kicker… he said that in the beginning – which he couldn’t define a timeline – he never thought we’d last, that I wasn’t really into him or us. 

So, I asked how it was (teary) that I must have lived in some dreamland where I thoughht we had a pretty near perfect relationship, that he adored me and that we were both moving forward in our relationship?  That we were becoming a family (he has a daughter) together – but he wasn’t there 100% like I thought?

I asked him when he “decided” that he was 2 feet in the door and after some thought he said in the past 5 months (after all ofd the SA stuff came to light).  Which made me feel hurt, we definately startted looking at houses in October last year (days after he stopped seeing Lisa in hotel rooms) and moved in our house in March.  So he definately didn’t buy a house with me for our future – only that he had to get out of his current situation of living with his Brother, his Parents, etc.

He also tried to explain that when he was with me that he was mentally with me.  I know he text messaged women and called women from my rented house while I was there, when he walked my dog etc.  So I don’t fully buy it, but he did repeat that he was into me but never thought I was 100% into him.  I wonder how I could have done things differently to show him that I was in it 100%, back then.  Or if it was purely his own insecurities that led him to believe he wasn’t worthy. 

It’s interesting now that I have put up a wall and don’t feel happy, feel confused and betrayed that he is 2 feet in – it took all of this for him to realize that I was 2 feet in this whole time?  Now that I am one foot in and one foot out?  Or is it the whole intimacy “dance” where when one person pulls away the other pulls in closer?  Or is it that when all of his secrets are out that he feels that I am still here, still evaluating and that he realizes he can be loved even with knowing the dark side?

Anyway I also asked if he has learned anything in these past 5 months, in his SLAA group with almost 60-days of celibacy?  He emphatically says yes.  He said 5 months ago he was a different person.  That he didn’t really know how to describe it but that since the beginning of our relationship up until doom day he was 2 different people – the one that everyone knew and liked and the dark one that no one knew.  That he hated the dark one, but it just took over and was out of control and that he knew what he was doing wa wrong but couldn’t stop.  He says he has lot’s of questions for the SA Counsellor about the why he did this (before he didn’t question the why – only how could he stop), etc.

The main thing about this conversation is that he believed me this time when I said I was 2 feet in for our whole relationship, that I felt like I had lived in a dreamland and that he never showed me that he wasn’t. WE could have taken things slowly – he pressured me in the beginning and it felt uncomfortable – we could have just dated, but we decided to be (ahem) exclusive and take things seriously and that I am so completely confused and hurt as to why I thought we had a great relationship and that I never knew he wasn’t on the same page.

That he spent 2 years of our lives living in fear of what would happen if I rejected him and that meant that he wouodn’t close to me and us and let himself enjoy the things we had – he was not there, not with me, with us.

So now, dirty secrets on the carpet, he is here and engaged with not only me, but himself.  I’m proud of him for the past 5 months.  He’s come a long way.  I am encouraged and not so scared since we had this chat.  He didn’t like “little porn guy” and is doing everything in his power to change.  I’m proud of me too.  I could run, I have options, but I do love Bob and I love when we’re together.  Now I think it’s time to really work on us and put both of our fears aside.

Betrayed

P.S.  I know I owe some of you emails.  I’m so sorry for the delay and being off the map for awhile.  I will explain when I email you.